September 27, 2023


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Professor John Vervaeke — On Cultivating Knowledge, Discovering Stream States, The Energy and Perils of Instinct, The 4 Methods of Understanding, Studying to Fall in Love with

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“Data is about overcoming ignorance. Knowledge is about overcoming foolishness. So that you perceive knowledge by understanding foolishness, and also you perceive foolishness as not equivalent to ignorance.”

— Professor John Vervaeke

John Vervaeke (@vervaeke_john) is a professor of psychology on the College of Toronto. He presently teaches programs on pondering and reasoning with an emphasis on cognitive improvement, intelligence, rationality, mindfulness, and the psychology of knowledge.

Vervaeke is the director of UToronto’s Consciousness and Knowledge Research Laboratory and its Cognitive Science program, the place he teaches Introduction to Cognitive Science and The Cognitive Science of Consciousness, emphasizing the 4E mannequin, which contends that cognition and consciousness are embodied, embedded, enacted, and prolonged past the mind.

Vervaeke has taught programs on Buddhism and Cognitive Science within the Buddhism, Psychology, and Psychological Well being program for 15 years. He’s the creator and presenter of the YouTube collection “Awakening from the Meaning Crisis” and his model new collection, “After Socrates.”

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#657: Professor John Vervaeke — On Cultivating Knowledge, Discovering Stream States, The Energy and Perils of Instinct, The 4 Methods of Understanding, Studying to Fall in Love with Actuality, and Extra

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  • [05:31] The 4 methods of realizing (4P).
  • [10:15] Affordances.
  • [13:04] Semantic reminiscence.
  • [13:37] Stream.
  • [27:03] Did John discover Tai Chi, or did Tai Chi discover him?
  • [29:46] Leaving Christianity.
  • [34:42] Knowledge vs. data.
  • [36:54] Self-deception.
  • [41:53] When is logic the illogical alternative for fixing an issue?
  • [46:05] The powers and perils of instinct.
  • [55:05] Recognizing patterns that want breaking.
  • [59:18] Meditation vs. contemplation.
  • [1:05:30] Misunderstanding love.
  • [1:06:36] Circling.
  • [1:12:28] “God is expounded to the world the best way the thoughts is expounded to the physique.”
  • [1:14:34] A non-theist within the no-thingness.
  • [1:24:03] Responsive poiesis and Sufism.
  • [1:27:31] Neoplatonism.
  • [1:29:16] Seminal moments.
  • [1:31:36] Pierre Hadot.
  • [1:32:43] Two books.
  • [1:34:38] Potent poetry.
  • [1:37:40] The 4 Es.
  • [1:42:38] Two bonus Es.
  • [1:45:24] Heretical beliefs.
  • [1:54:12] Panpsychism.
  • [2:00:56] Most uncommon modes of cognition.
  • [2:02:37] Jordan Peterson.
  • [2:10:27] Opponent processing.
  • [2:13:53] The best way to help pals endeavoring to guide significant lives.
  • [2:17:50] After Socrates.
  • [2:21:44] Western phrases.
  • [2:25:11] John’s altering perspective of skilled actuality.
  • [2:28:01] One thing previous, one thing new.


“Data is about overcoming ignorance. Knowledge is about overcoming foolishness. So that you perceive knowledge by understanding foolishness, and also you perceive foolishness as not equivalent to ignorance.”
— John Vervaeke

“Cease demonizing any college and cease deifying any college. Your instinct will lead you as a lot unsuitable as your purpose, as a lot unsuitable as your feelings, as a lot unsuitable as your logic.”
— John Vervaeke

“The very processes that make us clever drawback solvers [and] make us so adaptive are the exact same processes that make us susceptible to self-deceptive, self-destructive conduct.”
— John Vervaeke

“We decide up on every kind of complicated patterns that aren’t actual and we kind intuitions round them, however after we don’t like our instinct, we don’t name it instinct, we name it bias or prejudice or racism or sexism or a complete bunch of different issues.”
— John Vervaeke

“Logic doesn’t let you know the best way to go from a weaker logic to a stronger logic. I can do all of the potential manipulations inside predicate logic and it received’t get me to motor logic. I’ve to do one thing outdoors of that to truly enhance my logical competence. So there’s no panacea.”
— John Vervaeke

“Sure, your feelings can lead you astray, however attempt dwelling with out them and see how rational you could be.”
— John Vervaeke

“I don’t just like the argument that goes, ‘Consciousness is bizarre, quantum is bizarre, due to this fact consciousness is quantum.’ That’s simply ridiculous. Now, panpsychism is a unique factor. And also you don’t must be satisfied about quantum stuff to be a panpsychist.”
— John Vervaeke


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